I saw this clip on Youtube of this system of Juijitsu and it seems by "look" to be very simple and yet...very brutal. anyone know more or study this system?


anywho here is a clip of it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVZoNMmh8lE

Sanuces Ryu was started by Dr. Moses Powell. He studied under Florendo Visitacion who learned jujutsu from Kiyose Nakae, author of " Jiujitsu Complete. " Proffesor "Vee" as he was known incorporated Arnis with elements of the jujutsu he learned to create what he called Vee Arnis Jitsu. This was the forrunner to Dr. Powell's Sanuces Ryu.

i think its crap. judging from a 2 mins clip that is.

It is basically just a modern composite system. Like many of those, it has some very good stuff in it, but i find that it lacks depth and an underlying martial philosophy making it a complete system. It strikes me as more of a collection of techniques. This is not to say that there are not good techniques in it. I have known some very good people who could definatley make it work for them.

Well they dress interestingly, I especially liked the desert camoflauge hakama and all the t-shirts under the gi.

I have seen a few tapes on Vee Arnis Jitsu. The instructor is a pretty intense guy and presents many techniques as realistically as possible. I found the videos pretty well done and he is well schooled(IMHO).

I did actually train for one month at a sanuces school a summer ago just to stay in shape (i was away from my dojo) and i have to say it's based on efficiency and straight brutality. The whole idea was to have a really simple system for self defense and to really be good at it. It's a composition of different arts and it's really rigid in training. the classes were some of the most intense I've ever had and they practice the entire time in 14-16 oz gis so it's extra straining. The people that i learned from were actually kinda crazy, the one instructor was an ex navy seal and the other had many credentials from being the new york light weight kick boxing champ (former champ he's about 60 now) and acredited degrees in shotokan and multiple jutsu schools. Plus some of their sparring practices were seriously the most intense i've seen. a school where you would stand a foot away from your opponant at all times and you had two feet on either side of you to move and you'd fight in that space, depending on the school i think some of the older ones were full contact i'm not sure.

Very Aikido-ish throws...

You couldn't be more correct on that assumption, I practice it for over 7 years and when it came to the reality of it; it wasn't worth the crap and time I spent on it. Not to mention the amount of money that I spent over the years.
Just to give you an idea of how poor and weak the system is I could defeat on a regular basis any of their students with simple karate techniques which were not even regular karate techniques but more kickboxing strikes. And the physical build of the avarage practitioner in the system is no more than that of the regular joe in the street.
I should have stayed practicing judo at the college I was attending, at least by now I would have had a decent judo foundation, and not have to start all over again to regain my tai-sabaki.

So what do you think about this now huh?

Look judo is the best, a true and tried method, with precise and effective techniques.
What makes it so effective is the core training of judo itself, its methology, and pratical application. No movement is wasted in judo everything has a reason.
It's up to the individual how he wants to apply judo...Just look at the Kodokan book and you will see how many techniques there are, if you study it in depthness you can find its phylosophy and then any technique can become either defensive or offensive, yes offensive it is up to you how you want to apply it.

I think it's the same with this an Dim Mark, it could work but it's not sure that it works and to knock somebody down while standing behind him is not realy hard work. In addition i don't think that most of these techniques shown in this video works, it look like a fake, because the opponets totaly cooperate.


(Thats just what i think of this art from this video, i don't know more about this art, it is possible that it is an very effectiv and great art)

I just reviewed the film. In my opinion Sanuces Ryu Jitsu is just another eclecticism. It looks like just another blend of Aikido and Hakko-Ryu Jiu-Jitsu. Nothing original nor innovative.

You mean desert camo Hakama's are not innovative nor is a chinese style button up shirt in desert camo is not original? Just kidding

From watching the video it looks intresting to say the least, especaly their outfits.

Actually those uniforms have all been done before.



If you've even done any of the Aiki styles of jiu-jitsu for any considerable length of time, then there you would see that there are no new or innovative techniques being performed in that video. I recognized some very Hakko-Ryu Jiu-jitsu stuff in that video, and a lot of basic Aikido.

LOL! Was just gonna ask .. WAS THAT A CAMO HAKAMA!!!???? Sheesh ... looked pretty silly (the hakama). Primarily looked like an Aikido ripoff.

I'm surprised they weren't wearing a kilt.

I am new to this forum and thought I would share on this topic. I have been a student of a Sanuces Ryu school for the past year. I am being trained by on of the best teachers of this system in the country. I had never heard of this system before and went to the school out of curiosity. I never looked back. I had studied martial arts before and am mat wrestler. I am still amazed at the honesty of this system. My understanding of it is that it was designed specifically for real world encounters. It is not pretty. It’s not Kung- Fu. (no offence) Dr. Powell was known for asking simply “can they fight?” when discussing other arts. It is designed around the idea of total body movement and maximum damage. I have seen the videos, and they do not do the system justice. I urge anyone interested to look into one of these schools and see for your self. Oh BTW, not all of us where Hakamas and camo. But with that said, were not the only style wearing the big black wrapLOL.

Looks a bit crap!

[font=Garamond] I cannot believe that some judoka on this forum would say that one of the world's leading juijitsuans, and the first African Americans to demonstrate at the United Nations "looks like crap" in a 30 second video. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion about non-qualifying matters such as the color of one's Hakama, the style, hairicut, fingernail polish or other bullshido, but Moses Powell's skill was beyond reproach as are those of some the the uke performing with him (most of whom I personally know). His black belts and their black belts are some of the leadiing practitioners of juijitsu on Earth. So, I do not know who the person was that claimed to have trained in Sanuces Ryu, and wasted his time but in life what you put into something, you're bound to to get out. I wish everyone a Happy Year's.

Some of the strikes done by the fella in red look just like Wing chun and effective

the last defence was basic karate defence

throwing looks aikido

knife defences looks frightningly unrealistic

Good luck in the real world

Look. I understand where some of you guys are coming from. But you gotta understand a few things about Sanuces and Dr. Moses Powell. Sanuces is basically Jujitsu. And if you know anything…you know that JUDO is the offspring of Jujitsu. JUDO was the way of disguising fighting techniques. Sanuces is not only effective, but is complete. And as far as DR. POWELL goes…not only was he the first martial artist asked to give a demonstration to the UNITED NATIONS. Not only was he the recognized senior master of Jujitsu ryu (Worldwide). He is the first AMERICAN (PERIOD) asked to be a SOKE. Make no mistake about one thing…Sanuces is REAL. BUT DON’T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Research the sokeship council. Know that DR. POWELL died as one of the highest ranking martial artist in the world. And please don’t judge saunces by videos. Do yourself a favor. Check out “The Warrior Within” it’s a documentary done by Bruce Lee’s brother a year or two after Bruce died. You’ll see a very small piece of what DOCTOR was about. And whoever that was talking negative about Saunces. That’s not wise. Do some research, please!


Look. I understand where some of you guys are coming from. But you gotta understand a few things about Sanuces and Dr. Moses Powell. Sanuces is basically Jujitsu. And if you know anything…you know that JUDO is the offspring of Jujitsu. JUDO was the way of disguising fighting techniques. Sanuces is not only effective, but is complete. And as far as DR. POWELL goes…not only was he the first martial artist asked to give a demonstration to the UNITED NATIONS. Not only was he the recognized senior master of Jujitsu ryu (Worldwide). He is the first AMERICAN (PERIOD) asked to be a SOKE. Make no mistake about one thing…Sanuces is REAL. BUT DON’T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Research the sokeship council. Know that DR. POWELL died as one of the highest ranking martial artist in the world. And please don’t judge saunces by videos. Do yourself a favor. Check out “The Warrior Within” it’s a documentary done by Bruce Lee’s brother a year or two after Bruce died. You’ll see a very small piece of what DOCTOR was about. And whoever that was talking negative about Saunces. That’s not wise. Do some research, please!