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Miss Kitty Fantastico


Can anyone provide a transcript of what's being said?
HALFORD JONES
On this computer at the bank, which I am using, the sound is not available so I can only surmise what is being said as this demo functions. You will notice, however, that in other topics I have mentioned,especially the one on Houdini in the forum, that leverage plays an important part in all such demos of ki,chi,etc. The idea of the Hara is an old one and there are numerous terms to designate such both in Japanese, Chinese, Korean and in other Asian languages. All such terms require specific descriptions in English and we do not take such notions for granted or as being 'self-evident' while we often regard students of such arts that have these aspects as credulous, stupid, hypnotized or brainwashed, ad nauseum. You cannot master any of this or even delve into from a comfortable armchair or merely read and observe videos like this to get what is involved,wherther emotions, intellect, or body mechanics,etc. To undergo such practice you need not accept all the explanations given or the methods used to demonstrate such or embrace the complex and sometimes simple conclusions that people put forth to explain what is going on. You can, like all good Oriental martial artists, simply agree, nod your head, and bow,etc. and leave a good taste in the mouths of those you think are frauds and deceivers,etc. and walk away and go your own path. I have done this many times and rather than confront persons in their own territory, it is best for them to come to you, if you know what I mean. I suspect most of you don't.
Miss Kitty Fantastico
We don't disagree smile.gif

Now, if anyone can provide a translation, I'd be obliged. Might even provide some more videos....
voodoojudo
QUOTE(Miss Kitty Fantastico @ Oct 22 2008, 02:48 PM) *
We don't disagree smile.gif

Now, if anyone can provide a translation, I'd be obliged. Might even provide some more videos....

not sure have to sit down and lisen to it but have you tryed looking for the same on youtube in engish
NBK
Very hard to make out for me, a native speaker w/ good ears will pick up much more as the sound quality is very poor, but it's generally along the lines of

"no, look, do it this way....'

’don't just stick your body out and let your arms drop, use your hands like this.....'

'....same place as before....'

'no, no, same as when you're standing......'

'yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.'

blah, blah....

No great secrets that I can hear.

This could be a drill in any decent aikido dojo, AFAIK. I've had the odd judo instructor (w/ aikido experience) demo similarly to make the point about keeping low / getting under your opponent, rather than succumbing to the tendency to get up too high. Lurch had a judo instructor in Saitama who was also a keen sumo rikishi who'd make similar moves, he said, showing how sumo deals with a situation.

Cichorei Kano
QUOTE(NBK @ Nov 14 2008, 04:41 PM) *
Very hard to make out for me, a native speaker w/ good ears will pick up much more as the sound quality is very poor, but it's generally along the lines of

"no, look, do it this way....'

’don't just stick your body out and let your arms drop, use your hands like this.....'

'....same place as before....'

'no, no, same as when you're standing......'

'yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.'

blah, blah....

No great secrets that I can hear.

This could be a drill in any decent aikido dojo, AFAIK. I've had the odd judo instructor (w/ aikido experience) demo similarly to make the point about keeping low / getting under your opponent, rather than succumbing to the tendency to get up too high. Lurch had a judo instructor in Saitama who was also a keen sumo rikishi who'd make similar moves, he said, showing how sumo deals with a situation.


Lurch ? From the Adams family ? ohmy.gif
NBK
My training partner. hannibalsmiley.png

And he's the graceful one, usually tori for our kata practice......
Miss Kitty Fantastico
QUOTE(NBK @ Nov 14 2008, 07:41 AM) *
Very hard to make out for me, a native speaker w/ good ears will pick up much more as the sound quality is very poor, but it's generally along the lines of

"no, look, do it this way....'

’don't just stick your body out and let your arms drop, use your hands like this.....'

'....same place as before....'

'no, no, same as when you're standing......'

'yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.'

blah, blah....

No great secrets that I can hear.

This could be a drill in any decent aikido dojo, AFAIK. I've had the odd judo instructor (w/ aikido experience) demo similarly to make the point about keeping low / getting under your opponent, rather than succumbing to the tendency to get up too high. Lurch had a judo instructor in Saitama who was also a keen sumo rikishi who'd make similar moves, he said, showing how sumo deals with a situation.


Thanks NBK

Are you (or others) willing to give a brief overview / translation of this one?

NBK
Send me tickets to Perth for Herself and me, I'll show you how.

Very rough translation, one shot through, much better audio on this one..... he's demonstrating basic biomechanics and good knowledge of kuzushi

'.................
the bones are like this (the two jo). pushing bone on bone, if uke pushes back, there's strength but if you separate the bones just a little bit, like this, then only muscle holds them together and you push against that, easy to move

how's it easier to separate the joint where the jo join? work on it, figure it how.... Pay attention! (as the lefthand young guy tries to figure out how to separate the tips of the jo)

so pull a bit, see how easy it is to separate them? how's it work if your rear hand is stuck at your hip? doesn't work well does it? so both hands moving is best

don't over push, take the hand, no strength needed. just align correctly, then push a little bit that's all it takes

(in gi)
so, if this is stuck here (at the shoulder) if you pull just a little bit then separate, very easy to move, if you push then, easy even for a woman

pull slightly to start with

7:57
get rid of your power, straighten / lengthen his forearm, go straight from there

8:50
as you get to this (situation / posture) you can move straight into the next technique (as he goes into shiho-nage or so....)

blah blah.........'

I did something near this last night at judo to demonstrate why it's a really bad idea to stiff-arm someone that understands this, and how I got my elbow hyperextended practicing Hapkido in Korea with a bonehead (not Lurch) that thought this required some great strength.
Mike Sigman
QUOTE(Miss Kitty Fantastico @ Dec 8 2008, 12:09 PM) *
brief overview
I'm not sure what you're looking for MKF but that video isn't too much about moving from the hara, although the teacher himself can do it in a rough, linear, limited way. So limited that the video is fairly useless as something to learn anything from. The kid is hilarious to watch, though.

Mike
Cichorei Kano
QUOTE(NBK @ Dec 9 2008, 12:19 PM) *
Send me tickets to Perth for Herself and me, I'll show you how.

Very rough translation, one shot through, much better audio on this one..... he's demonstrating basic biomechanics and good knowledge of kuzushi

'.................
the bones are like this (the two jo). pushing bone on bone, if uke pushes back, there's strength but if you separate the bones just a little bit, like this, then only muscle holds them together and you push against that, easy to move

how's it easier to separate the joint where the jo join? work on it, figure it how.... Pay attention! (as the lefthand young guy tries to figure out how to separate the tips of the jo)

so pull a bit, see how easy it is to separate them? how's it work if your rear hand is stuck at your hip? doesn't work well does it? so both hands moving is best

don't over push, take the hand, no strength needed. just align correctly, then push a little bit that's all it takes

(in gi)
so, if this is stuck here (at the shoulder) if you pull just a little bit then separate, very easy to move, if you push then, easy even for a woman

pull slightly to start with

7:57
get rid of your power, straighten / lengthen his forearm, go straight from there

8:50
as you get to this (situation / posture) you can move straight into the next technique (as he goes into shiho-nage or so....)

blah blah.........'

I did something near this last night at judo to demonstrate why it's a really bad idea to stiff-arm someone that understands this, and how I got my elbow hyperextended practicing Hapkido in Korea with a bonehead (not Lurch) that thought this required some great strength.


Well, NBK, I have something for you:

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NBK
Bad CK sensei. You want to see me in a bidding war for my services to Perth. Herself and I will not stoop to such. Business class airfare (cash, please, in case we decide to go cattle-class) and a four or five star hotel will suffice.

Scientific 気 ki-bunking! In the Journal of the Academy of Biomechanics, no less. Gotta love it. 'performance for the media' indeed.

I will await some naysayer to translate and critique it using the same level of logic. Meanwhile, I am a happy boy sorcerer.gif Christmas came early this year.

Thanks,



Miss Kitty Fantastico
QUOTE(NBK @ Dec 9 2008, 03:19 AM) *
Send me tickets to Perth for Herself and me, I'll show you how.


The how is pretty obvious. I was just curious as to *what* was being said, in case any pearls were being dropped.

Thanks for the translation :D
Mike Sigman
QUOTE(Miss Kitty Fantastico @ Dec 9 2008, 02:55 AM) *
The how is pretty obvious. I was just curious as to *what* was being said, in case any pearls were being dropped.
The fact that the teacher is so heavily invested in simple biomechanics should be enough to indicate that there are no real pearls. wink.gif

FWIW

Mike
NBK
Droppings start with what is being ingested. Eat enough pearls, you'll probably drop one or two. OTOH, GIGO.............. biggrin1.gif
Empty Gi
QUOTE(Mike Sigman @ Dec 8 2008, 11:49 PM) *
I'm not sure what you're looking for MKF but that video isn't too much about moving from the hara, although the teacher himself can do it in a rough, linear, limited way. So limited that the video is fairly useless as something to learn anything from. The kid is hilarious to watch, though.

Mike


I have to agree with Mike here. The guy is demonstrating only one small component of a larger body skill that involves capturing uke's center through his spine. It's not about the arms at all, although they do serve as a path for controlling power... that is generated through tori's spine and into uke's. It's about connection to the ground.

When I saw the first seiza shot in the video, I was expecting to see a Daito-ryu demo of their aiki ageh, which is what the above body skills would have resulted in. Oh well. I've seen Daito-ryu guys do big, loopy round arm rotations for their aiki ageh, especially Roppokai guys, but they have their spines connected to it and aren't depending on locking uke's arm into a ramrod. The arms do very little but be propelled by the spine from the ground.

But yeah, the kid's a riot. Big-eyed with wonder at the mighty wisdom of his sensei-shrfu.
Mike Sigman
QUOTE(Empty Gi @ Dec 9 2008, 09:04 AM) *
I have to agree with Mike here. The guy is demonstrating only one small component of a larger body skill that involves capturing uke's center through his spine. It's not about the arms at all, although they do serve as a path for controlling power... that is generated through tori's spine and into uke's. It's about connection to the ground.

When I saw the first seiza shot in the video, I was expecting to see a Daito-ryu demo of their aiki ageh, which is what the above body skills would have resulted in. Oh well. I've seen Daito-ryu guys do big, loopy round arm rotations for their aiki ageh, especially Roppokai guys, but they have their spines connected to it and aren't depending on locking uke's arm into a ramrod. The arms do very little but be propelled by the spine from the ground.

But yeah, the kid's a riot. Big-eyed with wonder at the mighty wisdom of his sensei-shrfu.
Yeah, exactly. Although the "spine" thing would be maybe a discussion; I suggest that spine or wherever the forces originate from as long as it's ultimately connected to the middle it doesn't matter. You just need to know how to "reply to their jin" to do what the teacher is doing and that's not very advanced.

The kid is big-eyed I think because he's desperately trying to grasp the pattern of what the teacher is saying and so he's a bit panicked. wink.gif

FWIW

Mike
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