mike323
Jan 16 2008, 08:29 PM
What martial art would fend off judo the best? other than judo it's self.
say what grappeling would be the best?
what striking?
Mdrnsamurai
Jan 16 2008, 08:40 PM
No Art. Judo is unbeatable.
It all falls on the athlete. If a tree falls in the Forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?
This question is like that debate. Never ending. Just make sure that you train hard enough when the same question is posed to you in person that you will be able to beat your opponent and answer it yourself.
Train Hard, Stay Safe,
Good Luck
Combat Judo Academy
Serra BJJ
Hanon
Jan 16 2008, 08:59 PM
QUOTE(mike323 @ Jan 16 2008, 08:29 PM)

What martial art would fend off judo the best? other than judo it's self.
say what grappeling would be the best?
what striking?
The greatest challenge a judoka ever faces is himself.
Mike
CBJudo
Jan 16 2008, 09:01 PM
Shooting.
Lily-White
Jan 16 2008, 09:03 PM
QUOTE(CBJudo @ Jan 16 2008, 04:01 PM)

Shooting.

Would that be a morote gari? ;) Therefore, your response is wrestling?? :)
Dutch
Jan 16 2008, 09:25 PM
QUOTE(Hanon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:59 PM)

The greatest challenge a judoka ever faces is himself.
Mike
Thats what I wanted to post in here. Great minds think alike eh
Sasae
Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM
Whatever Chuck Norris does ...
jefmlrjudo
Jan 16 2008, 09:50 PM
All you can eat buffet.
Spouse who actually wants you to spend time with them and not roll around with 10 sweaty Judoka.
Landlord who actually wants the rent paid
QUOTE(mike323 @ Jan 16 2008, 08:29 PM)

What martial art would fend off judo the best? other than judo it's self.
say what grappeling would be the best?
what striking?
Matthew Jones
Jan 16 2008, 09:55 PM
Muay Thai... my face is too pretty to be taking elbows.
sta94
Jan 16 2008, 10:02 PM
I enthusiastically second what jefmlrjudo said, particularly points #2 and #3. Those are the exact reasons my judo isn't progressing as much as I'd like.
CBJudo
Jan 16 2008, 10:06 PM
QUOTE(Lily-White @ Jan 17 2008, 10:03 AM)

Would that be a morote gari? ;) Therefore, your response is wrestling?? :)
No that would be shooting with guns.
Taigyo
Jan 16 2008, 10:10 PM
Staph infection
ouchie_mata
Jan 16 2008, 11:05 PM
rifle marksmanship!
Taigyo
Jan 16 2008, 11:21 PM
QUOTE(Sasae @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)

Whatever Chuck Norris does ...
By that you mean really bad movies and mediocre T.V. shows?
Lily-White
Jan 16 2008, 11:25 PM
Worst enemy of a Judoka?
A sweaty, unwashed gi.
COJudoka
Jan 16 2008, 11:29 PM
I don't know, If there was no Judo I think I would study San Shou (if there were any clubs around).
Pandaboy
Jan 17 2008, 02:14 AM
B.O.
Supernova
Jan 17 2008, 02:41 AM
The scornful look of a woman, when she gazes over at you as you are leaving, saying to you through her eyes "What? You can't spend time with me?!"... ugh!
I was called a judoholic by a former girlfriend of mine, and not in a nice way, like she yelled at me "You're a judoholic,, and like any addiction it's a disease!!" lol!!! Ok, I laughed quietly inside... I broke down and admitted it, after all that's the first step :)
SuperNova
Ga. Nidan
Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM
The silent killer. I work with an ex sniper and he makes you want to look over shoulder.
der commissar
Jan 17 2008, 02:54 AM
In mma, the wrestler
In grappling, the bjjer.
Of course I agree with Mike in that it's oneself initially.
Steve Leadbeater
Jan 17 2008, 02:54 AM
The only way to beat a Judoka is with a .45 acp. 1911A1 Semi Automatoc Pistol loaded with
200 gr. Teflon coated Semi wadcutters out of a Match barrel at >1000fps.
Porvided of course you keep your spacing and do not get to Goshin Jutsu distance.
(worked for me for many years............................retirement is cruel when you are now unarmed, and have to use your learned arts.)
makoto
Jan 17 2008, 06:40 AM
QUOTE(Sasae @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)

Whatever Chuck Norris does ...
That could be because Norris earned a brown belt in Judo before he got into Tang Soo Do. And "Superfoot" Bill Wallace has a Judo black belt, even though he is far better known for his karate experience.
Cichorei Kano
Jan 17 2008, 06:52 AM
QUOTE(mike323 @ Jan 17 2008, 05:29 AM)

What martial art would fend off judo the best? other than judo it's self.
say what grappeling would be the best?
what striking?
Your looking too far. Any poorly trained referee suffices to beat even the best judoist.
Kaji
Jan 17 2008, 07:48 AM
QUOTE(mike323 @ Jan 17 2008, 04:29 AM)

What martial art would fend off judo the best?
Marital art!And then you have age, disease, injuries, death and taxes. Oh and of course the occasional temptation from the dark side.
QUOTE(Cichorei Kano @ Jan 17 2008, 02:52 PM)

Your looking to far. Any poorly trained referee suffices to beat even the best judoist.

Reminds me of this joke:
http://www.judoinfo.com/humor6.htm (the first joke in the page)
Oztrav
Jan 17 2008, 09:28 AM
QUOTE(Mdrnsamurai @ Jan 17 2008, 06:40 AM)

No Art. Judo is unbeatable.
It all falls on the athlete. If a tree falls in the Forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?
This question is like that debate. Never ending. Just make sure that you train hard enough when the same question is posed to you in person that you will be able to beat your opponent and answer it yourself.
Train Hard, Stay Safe,
Good Luck
Combat Judo Academy
Serra BJJ
i really like that answer as well as the staph infection one
Cichorei Kano
Jan 17 2008, 11:12 AM
QUOTE(Oztrav @ Jan 17 2008, 06:28 PM)

i really like that answer as well as the staph infection one
You know, sadly there is some truth to it.
Many of the greatest judoist indeed were defeated by disease. Kano, officially by pneumonia. Mifune's mastership of kuzushi and kuki-nage was not able to prevent or stop his throat cancer, Kimura defeated by cancer, Hirano defeated by cancer, half the Kodokan's high-rank women's section was wiped out through cancer (Nihoshi, Sataye, all of them). Often they had some of the most aggressive forms of cancer: lung cancer, liver cancer, the latter one always fatal. Very, very sad, very tragic indeed.
Tranqüilo
Jan 17 2008, 12:42 PM
I can't think about the worst enemy of a Judoka in this sense (another martial art), but the real worst enemy of a Judoka is laziness.
olafwd
Jan 17 2008, 03:18 PM
Gun-fu is the one that scares me. Though it's hard to argue against a bad referee ...
johan smits
Jan 17 2008, 03:43 PM
That would be someone trained in some really old form of koryu jujutsu armed with a tanto.
Close with him/her you get stabbed and cut, judo does not do very well against that.
Happy landings,
Johan Smits
Kurobi
Jan 17 2008, 05:37 PM
Age got to figure somewhere in there. To some it's impact is felt sooner, some latter. Like some deseases, it slowly but inevitably takes what it wants. Unlike desease however, age will claim us all, it's not selective.
There is a partial remedy though, use every moment spent on the tatami to it's fullest. When age does come, you then can say, what a ride, wouldn't have it anyother way.
Kurobi
Dummy01
Jan 17 2008, 05:56 PM
Gravity
Taigyo
Jan 17 2008, 06:07 PM
Ringworm?
carlosgrana
Jan 17 2008, 06:25 PM
Beer Belly
JiuJitsuJon
Jan 17 2008, 07:02 PM
QUOTE(makoto @ Jan 17 2008, 12:40 AM)

That could be because Norris earned a brown belt in Judo before he got into Tang Soo Do. And "Superfoot" Bill Wallace has a Judo black belt, even though he is far better known for his karate experience.
Wasn't aware of that, but Chuck Norris also has a brown belt in BJJ under the Machados.
tis
Jan 17 2008, 07:21 PM
Lived It
Jan 17 2008, 08:44 PM
Gene Lebell said you use leglocks to beat judo players in his podcast. If anyone would know its him! Anything a man is ignorant of may be used against him so most real combat striking arts would not hurt either. Elbow, knees, headbutts and or any weapons training is helpful against pure grapplers. However once they close you have limited time to strike so be ready to use foul tactics such as biting, groin strikes,striking the back of the head and all sort targets, fishhook etc. A decent sprawl never hurts either.
In the real world I prefer Glock-Fu for life threatening matters and carry a tactical folder also(Kali). For non-life threatening matters idk to fight at all. Im an adult so.....too old for that anymore but if forced I fight very,very dirty. Don't assume judoka only know grappling, anyone in a martial art is liable to wander and learn all sorts of nasty things.
If you fight a judoka its probably something you did anyway we are way to awesome to be ass clowns that start fights!
Cichorei Kano
Jan 18 2008, 01:08 AM
QUOTE(tis @ Jan 18 2008, 04:21 AM)

And I thought only Homer Simpson could do that ...
liormmm
Jan 18 2008, 04:44 AM
QUOTE(Cichorei Kano @ Jan 17 2008, 09:12 AM)

You know, sadly there is some truth to it.
Many of the greatest judoist indeed were defeated by disease. Kano, officially by pneumonia. Mifune's mastership of kuzushi and kuki-nage was not able to prevent or stop his throat cancer, Kimura defeated by cancer, Hirano defeated by cancer, half the Kodokan's high-rank women's section was wiped out through cancer (Nihoshi, Sataye, all of them). Often they had some of the most aggressive forms of cancer: lung cancer, liver cancer, the latter one always fatal. Very, very sad, very tragic indeed.
So one could think that it's better not to reach that level of knowledge in judo as it may bring some sort of cancer or deadly disease?
It's probably like the stigmatas, as you get "closer" to jesus, you are more likely to get them.. or that's how the movie went!
Cichorei Kano
Jan 18 2008, 04:58 AM
QUOTE(liormmm @ Jan 18 2008, 01:44 PM)

So one could think that it's better not to reach that level of knowledge in judo as it may bring some sort of cancer or deadly disease?
It's probably like the stigmatas, as you get "closer" to jesus, you are more likely to get them.. or that's how the movie went!
You say. You know what ? I once calculated the time that the 180-some people who ever have been awarded a 9th dan rank by the Kodokan, how long they remained alive after that promotion. I think the average was something like 2-3 years or so. So, there you go. In fact, some people even died on the day they got awarded their 10th dan, which seems to me a very gloomy prospect* !
(*Yes, I know that such is partly an artifact caused because they really were promoted posthumously, so they were already dead rather than euthanized after the promotion ... although we can never be sure, of course.

)
forzajudo
Jan 18 2008, 05:28 AM
QUOTE
Spouse who actually wants you to spend time with them and not roll around with 10 sweaty Judoka.
Landlord who actually wants the rent paid
Amen.
waylander
Jan 18 2008, 06:38 AM
In my experience, werewolves and vampires are hard to deal with. Try working your sweeps from open guard.
Kaji
Jan 18 2008, 06:49 AM
QUOTE(waylander @ Jan 18 2008, 02:38 PM)

In my experience, werewolves and vampires are hard to deal with. Try working your sweeps from open guard.
Don't forget your silver groin cap!
waylander
Jan 18 2008, 07:03 AM
Haha, I never forget
Oztrav
Jan 18 2008, 11:05 AM
QUOTE(Lived It @ Jan 18 2008, 06:44 AM)

In the real world I prefer Glock-Fu for life threatening matters and carry a tactical folder also(Kali).
obviously you havent learnt about the success of brazilian glock jitsu all the brazilians are doing it and kicking it in street fights

glock fu is so outdated
QUOTE(Cichorei Kano @ Jan 17 2008, 09:12 PM)

You know, sadly there is some truth to it.Many of the greatest judoist indeed were defeated by disease. Kano, officially by pneumonia. Mifune's mastership of kuzushi and kuki-nage was not able to prevent or stop his throat cancer, Kimura defeated by cancer, Hirano defeated by cancer, half the Kodokan's high-rank women's section was wiped out through cancer (Nihoshi, Sataye, all of them). Often they had some of the most aggressive forms of cancer: lung cancer, liver cancer, the latter one always fatal. Very, very sad, very tragic indeed.
Do you think that there is or was a cancer cluster in the kodokan? Im not sure on judo history and timelines but are those guys all of the same 'era'Did they train to gether were they live in etc
Assasin
Jan 18 2008, 01:19 PM
A pi***d of Rhino perhaps or a serious injury but more likely to be Yoda from star wars
Judoreturner
Jan 18 2008, 01:40 PM
The worst enemy of a judoka who is in line for a tournament is the flu. You simply don't feel half as good as you usually are; can hardly breathe, stamina vanishes; you are defeated by the flu, not your opponent.
KBJ2.0
Jan 18 2008, 04:08 PM
A Jujutsuka who actually Randoris and is a student of violence, because he understands the Judoka's game, and he himself is not "playing" Judo, he is in combat.
That's if this was klife or death with no rules.
BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN and the guy who said "Himself" is right about all martial artisit, not just arts.
Anyone can kill anyone else, but some dont know they have it in them. It changes from day to day as well.
mike323
Jan 18 2008, 04:32 PM
QUOTE(Oztrav @ Jan 18 2008, 11:05 AM)

Do you think that there is or was a cancer cluster in the kodokan? Im not sure on judo history and timelines but are those guys all of the same 'era'Did they train to gether were they live in etc
i for some reason have a deep seeded feeling hiroshma has something to do with this.
liormmm
Jan 19 2008, 01:08 AM
QUOTE(Cichorei Kano @ Jan 18 2008, 02:58 AM)

You say. You know what ? I once calculated the time that the 180-some people who ever have been awarded a 9th dan rank by the Kodokan, how long they remained alive after that promotion. I think the average was something like 2-3 years or so. So, there you go. In fact, some people even died on the day they got awarded their 10th dan, which seems to me a very gloomy prospect* !
(*Yes, I know that such is partly an artifact caused because they really were promoted posthumously, so they were already dead rather than euthanized after the promotion ... although we can never be sure, of course.

)
We should maybe try a field test. Award some healthy 30 - 40 years old a 9th or even a 10th dan rank and see how long they stay alive !
Of course, if we see our test fails (meaning, they stay alive for a long time), we just downgrade them to the rank they were before this test (I was going to say kill them, but some might take it too seriously

)
Cichorei Kano
Jan 19 2008, 02:04 AM
QUOTE(liormmm @ Jan 19 2008, 10:08 AM)

We should maybe try a field test. Award some healthy 30 - 40 years old a 9th or even a 10th dan rank and see how long they stay alive !
Of course, if we see our test fails (meaning, they stay alive for a long time), we just downgrade them to the rank they were before this test (I was going to say kill them, but some might take it too seriously

)
Look, Phil, I know you played a substantial role in American judo, but ...
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