QUOTE(Saint Germain @ Jan 3 2009, 02:34 AM)

I fortunately just moved to a rather warm region of the world several months ago. I also reciently tried out the traditional bananna tree as a practice dummy. It definitely hurts, especially shin kicks, but it works unbelievably well. But, it's also a soft target that won't cut your hands up or break any bones. You don't have to go around punching bricks to condition your hands. In fact, very often a soft target like a bag with a bit of resistance, weight and flexibility will provide a better effect without doing any long-term damage to your hands and legs.
Having lived in the tropics, the Philippines for some years, the use of coconuts and banana(plants-not trees, they are related to the abaca also) is familiar to me. Breaking of coconuts will not cripple the hands if you know what you are doing except for the very hard shelled ones. Doing a break with the husk on is another matter. In the west, most of the coconuts have the husk removed. I could say a lot more on all this, and as for banana there are far more varieties available than in the modern supermarkets. In the recent ISKF James McNeil has an article on the iron palm,etc. He is another 'expert' like Brian Grey, but his methods involve, at least in the article, the use of wrist and grip strengthening, in the usual weight/BB strength training modes,if you know what I mean. The use of the wrist roller for example. Lead was much easier to obtain in China than iron or steel and you have to realize also that mercury,another poisonous substance, was often used in iron-hit wines and so forth to bathe the hands in,if you know what I mean. You have to read a bit of alchemical manuscripts, both Easter and Western to see some of this sort of thing. Hitting a person with a hand not used to hitting things, such as, a heavy bag or even a speed bag or the simple makiwara,all done in the proper manner, of course, can result in injury and cuts and bruises,etc. The idea for anything,involving training or conditioning, is to do it slowly, carefully, attentively, and progressively and for a substantial period of time, trying all the while to not injure yourself to fulfill fantasies about such things,as goodness knows, there are so many examples of persons doing this, as they watch mindless movies and video games,etc. The old tough methods of WWII of hitting hard planks with the edges of the hand(shuto,tegatana, etc) as well as those of the Japanese and the Koreans can still be done,of course. You can read Oyama's works and especially the last ones, with some degree of insight into all this,gleaned from his descriptions and advice,etc. The mindset necessary for any of this is that you will not achieve success in any of this without concentration and moderation and competent instruction. Only some people are attracted to this method of self-defense and martial art and I suspect it is those who, like myself, really prefer to do things on their own and not partake of tournament scenes and limelight and so forth. The hermit in his cave might well describe some of these people,who are viewed, no doubt, as cranks and eccentrics at best.
QUOTE(HALFORD JONES @ Jan 6 2009, 06:34 PM)

Having lived in the tropics, the Philippines for some years, the use of coconuts and banana(plants-not trees, they are related to the abaca also) is familiar to me. Breaking of coconuts will not cripple the hands if you know what you are doing except for the very hard shelled ones. Doing a break with the husk on is another matter. In the west, most of the coconuts have the husk removed. I could say a lot more on all this, and as for banana there are far more varieties available than in the modern supermarkets. In the recent ISKF James McNeil has an article on the iron palm,etc. He is another 'expert' like Brian Grey, but his methods involve, at least in the article, the use of wrist and grip strengthening, in the usual weight/BB strength training modes,if you know what I mean. The use of the wrist roller for example. Lead was much easier to obtain in China than iron or steel and you have to realize also that mercury,another poisonous substance, was often used in iron-hit wines and so forth to bathe the hands in,if you know what I mean. You have to read a bit of alchemical manuscripts, both Easter and Western to see some of this sort of thing. Hitting a person with a hand not used to hitting things, such as, a heavy bag or even a speed bag or the simple makiwara,all done in the proper manner, of course, can result in injury and cuts and bruises,etc. The idea for anything,involving training or conditioning, is to do it slowly, carefully, attentively, and progressively and for a substantial period of time, trying all the while to not injure yourself to fulfill fantasies about such things,as goodness knows, there are so many examples of persons doing this, as they watch mindless movies and video games,etc. The old tough methods of WWII of hitting hard planks with the edges of the hand(shuto,tegatana, etc) as well as those of the Japanese and the Koreans can still be done,of course. You can read Oyama's works and especially the last ones, with some degree of insight into all this,gleaned from his descriptions and advice,etc. The mindset necessary for any of this is that you will not achieve success in any of this without concentration and moderation and competent instruction. Only some people are attracted to this method of self-defense and martial art and I suspect it is those who, like myself, really prefer to do things on their own and not partake of tournament scenes and limelight and so forth. The hermit in his cave might well describe some of these people,who are viewed, no doubt, as cranks and eccentrics at best.
Although we call them coconut 'trees' they are actually plants. Bamboo, which we also tend to call,'trees' are technically grasses. Bamboo is related to rattan but there significant differences.
QUOTE(HALFORD JONES @ Jan 6 2009, 06:36 PM)

Having lived in the tropics, the Philippines for some years, the use of coconuts and banana(plants-not trees, they are related to the abaca also) is familiar to me. Breaking of coconuts will not cripple the hands if you know what you are doing except for the very hard shelled ones. Doing a break with the husk on is another matter. In the west, most of the coconuts have the husk removed. I could say a lot more on all this, and as for banana there are far more varieties available than in the modern supermarkets. In the recent ISKF James McNeil has an article on the iron palm,etc. He is another 'expert' like Brian Grey, but his methods involve, at least in the article, the use of wrist and grip strengthening, in the usual weight/BB strength training modes,if you know what I mean. The use of the wrist roller for example. Lead was much easier to obtain in China than iron or steel and you have to realize also that mercury,another poisonous substance, was often used in iron-hit wines and so forth to bathe the hands in,if you know what I mean. You have to read a bit of alchemical manuscripts, both Easter and Western to see some of this sort of thing. Hitting a person with a hand not used to hitting things, such as, a heavy bag or even a speed bag or the simple makiwara,all done in the proper manner, of course, can result in injury and cuts and bruises,etc. The idea for anything,involving training or conditioning, is to do it slowly, carefully, attentively, and progressively and for a substantial period of time, trying all the while to not injure yourself to fulfill fantasies about such things,as goodness knows, there are so many examples of persons doing this, as they watch mindless movies and video games,etc. The old tough methods of WWII of hitting hard planks with the edges of the hand(shuto,tegatana, etc) as well as those of the Japanese and the Koreans can still be done,of course. You can read Oyama's works and especially the last ones, with some degree of insight into all this,gleaned from his descriptions and advice,etc. The mindset necessary for any of this is that you will not achieve success in any of this without concentration and moderation and competent instruction. Only some people are attracted to this method of self-defense and martial art and I suspect it is those who, like myself, really prefer to do things on their own and not partake of tournament scenes and limelight and so forth. The hermit in his cave might well describe some of these people,who are viewed, no doubt, as cranks and eccentrics at best.Although we call them coconut 'trees' they are actually plants. Bamboo, which we also tend to call,'trees' are technically grasses. Bamboo is related to rattan but there significant differences.
For St. Germaine, since he has moved to a warm country where bananas grow, I hope that he will be able to see the banana blossom! This a usually a purple blossom that grows atop the bunch of bananas and prized as a food, which,when sauteed, is most tasty. Also, bananas grow 'upright' and not downwards and they do have seeds in them! But few of us notice this.